Ep 57 | Men, Sex, & Testosterone with Dr. Adam Brockman

 

Kim Strobel 00:04 

Hello, everyone and welcome to today's show. Today I want to welcome Dr. Adam Brockman DC indie. He is a natural health physician and chiropractor. He is the founder and CEO of complete wellness Inc, which is a national best and brightest in wellness companies for three years in a row with multidisciplinary clinics in Kentucky, Indiana and Florida. Dr. Brockman has invented or developed over 25 natural health products that have won national gold medals. His online store donates a portion of every sale to impoverished areas of the US and other countries working to improve nutritional deficiencies in those areas. He has developed protocols in the fast growing field of Regenerative Medicine, which includes treatments such as stem cell therapy. He has spoken at national and state conferences for natural health providers and chiropractors and is the vice president of the Kentucky chiropractic society. In his spare time, he enjoys coaching his kids, outdoor activities and being surrounded with family which includes Megan, a nurse practitioner at complete wellness, and their five soon to be six kids. Welcome to the show, Dr. Brockman. I'm really happy to have you here, Dr. Brockman. Just so you know, you are only the second man ever to be on the she finds joy podcast. How does that make you feel? 

Adam Brockman 01:46 

A 

It makes me feel great. Thank you for having me. You're not upset that you didn't get the number one spot? Are you? No, no. I'm with as many kids as I have. I'm used to being a 

pain in the rear. Yeah, yeah. As you guys heard in the bio, Adam and Megan have five children with one in the oven due in June. And for our three boys, two girls, and we don't know what number six is, do we know it's gonna be a surprise.  

Kim Strobel 02:18 

You're looking at mega, it's hard to believe there's anything inside that belly of hers. She's just a little bitty round basketball. And I just saw yesterday, some pictures posted on Facebook. And she's absolutely beautiful. pregnant. just stunning. 

02:33 

Thank you. Thank you. 

Kim Strobel 02:35 

So we are interestingly enough, we are going to be talking about men's health, and testosterone and sex. And just the word sex in the title, just so you know is going to get a lot of people listening to this episode. 

Adam Brockman 02:53 

A 

Absolutely. 

Kim Strobel 02:55 

I know how to play my cards, right? Yeah, for those of you who are listening, you're gonna want to go back and actually check out way early on, we had Episode 22 with sex coach Daniel Daniel savory. And the title of that podcast episode was women, sex and pleasure. And she had an excellent episode, she studies the neuroscience of the brain, and she helps women really step into their bodies and not be afraid to receive pleasure. And she's just fantastic. So I feel like you're going to somewhat give us like the men's version now of that. And I know we have a lot of women who listened to this podcast, and sometimes I feel like I should have renamed it because it's called she finds joy, which is true about me. But I feel 

like so many of the topics that we discuss on here are also really relevant to men. So ladies, if you are listening in you're going to want your man to listen to this episode. Are you ready for this? Dr. Brockman? 

Adam Brockman 03:58 

A 

I guess you may you may teach me. 

Kim Strobel 04:02 

I just very well may. I feel so funny calling you Dr. Brockman. Because Dr. Brockman and I go way back, he's my chiropractor. And as most of you know, I run about 40 miles a week. I sometimes feel like I have a weekly appointment with you. And I somewhat feel I'm not somebody who whines but whenever he wants to know what's what, when you want to know what's wrong with my body, I'm like, well, this week, it's my shoulder and my hip and my feet still hurt. And so I feel like it's always some ailment. But what I really love about you is that your mission is really this idea of holistic health, isn't it? Absolutely. And I want you to explain that because you come at it at such a very unique perspective. And I think before we maybe I want to back up even one question before that. What I don't understand like, what exactly are you doing as a chiropractor like what is that chiropractic? What is that all 

Adam Brockman 04:54 

A 

about? Well, I feel like we're kind of changing a little bit of the healthcare model and So what I consider what we're doing is we're taking the best of natural health and medicine and combining it with some of traditional medicine aspects. And so, of course, we're going to work on you when you come in with pain. But we're also going to we have a You and I have conversations about just health in general. And that's, and that's really what, what I like to address. So obviously, I want to dress your pain. But when you come in, I also wanted to see, hey, how can we make your life, your lifestyle better, you know, better fit for what, what you're trying to accomplish goals in life even? 

Kim Strobel 05:37 

Yeah, I like that. And I feel that very much that it's not, I'm just not just in there. So you can crack my back and get my hip worked out. But I know like, sometimes I've said to you, I have a sugar addiction. And you'll recommend supplements or different things that I can take that I know, you know, your own supplements are ones that that you've made, you've created the compound for you feel very strongly about the the natural ingredients that you're using in that. And so I do feel very much like it is this holistic health model. And I know how very important that is to you. 

Adam Brockman 06:12 

A 

Yeah, yeah. And I think in really building on that, you know, adding in what I consider, again, the best of both worlds, so so we have what we can do three steps in the right direction with natural health, and maybe one or two of these things that we add in with modern medicine. You're getting, you're getting everything that you need. And, and hopefully that just improves your health that much more. Yeah, 

Kim Strobel 06:37 

I love that. Absolutely. Well, let's get to the good stuff, shall we? 

06:43 

Alright, um, 

Kim Strobel 06:44 

I want to know, okay, so this is a topic that's really important to me, because I see this happening. Of course, I've talked to a lot of women who kind of open up to me about things. And one of the things that I am consistently shocked about is the lack of sex in 

relationships. And I mean, this starts as early as in their 30s, in their 40s, of course, in their 50s. You know, I know people in couples who are like, Oh, you know, we're 48 years old, and we have sex, like once every six months, or even this idea of just understanding that there are certain things that are happening, of course, both to a female's libido, and we have all kinds of different sex drives and all of that, but the same thing is happening for males. But what I find is that it's really difficult, because it's almost like it's not, it's not a societal thing that is acceptable for a man to have a low sex drive. 

Adam Brockman 07:57 

A 

Yeah, absolutely. And I think I think a lot of, well, let's just be honest, our age range is what puts us into that, whether it's we have a number of different things going on in our lives, or that just gets put on the on the back burner, but, but a big component of overall health is that component, your connection with your significant other or your spouse, and, and so we're if we're missing some of that component, then a lot of other relationship, things can can go downhill as well. And so I think that the biggest biggest thing we can talk about with, you know, just a lot of the topic we're going to discuss is different things to do with testosterone. So as we as we age, as males, it's natural for our testosterone levels to go down, and in turn, our estrogen levels actually go up. And so, so those are going to be a couple of things that we need to figure out how we're gonna balance those out. And 

Kim Strobel 08:56 

yeah, let's now break that down for us. So tell us exactly what testosterone is because I know you're so well versed in it, but many of us are going Okay, tell me what the difference is between testosterone and estrogen like, what what is testosterone? And what does it do? Like do males and females both have testosterone? Right? 

Adam Brockman 09:16 

A 

Yeah, absolutely. And, and the well to break it down in simple terms, testosterone is the male hormone and estrogen is the female hormone. Of course, of course, what we're trying to do is we're trying to get this synergy between both of them, that is the right mix, if we're male, or if we're female. So, so on average, males should have at least 20 times the testosterone levels as a female. But as we age that those are going to get to may get off balance there. And so when we what happens when we get this low testosterone or a common term that that is thrown around is low tea. That's the That's going to decrease males, sperm count their bone in their muscle mass, it's going to it's going to increase their body fat. And then of course, the the talking about this topic with with sex, it's the erectile dysfunction happens. So have you know that the common term for that is EDI, and, and those are things that, that we want to try to try to see how we're going to balance that out and avoid as we get older, because we know that those hormone levels are going to change. 

Kim Strobel 10:32 

Yes. And so just to summarize, when a person who identifies as a male is maybe seeing some significant changes. So testosterone is not just about sex drive libido, or, you know, being able to get an erection it is all of those things, but it's also an increase in like, belly fat it is. You don't create your muscles, you can't your muscles start to deteriorate, like high stress levels, low energy levels, poor sleeping patterns. And so I feel like there's a stigma around like, well, I don't want to talk about testosterone, because, you know, I'm a man, and you know, men are supposed to want it all the time. And so if they don't, then there's like, this shame around it, right? There's intense shame around like, okay, I don't really have the desire, or I can't get an erection. And that feels very personal, both personal to a man, what would you say to them? Dr. Brock, thanks. I know, we're gonna have men listening to this and being like, yeah, I feel a lot of shame around that. Yeah, 

Adam Brockman 11:42 

A 

it is, it is completely, it's completely fine. This is a normal thing that does happen, it's gonna happen to all of us, just as we know, as we age, you know, we are going to decrease our muscle mass and, and we're going to decrease our energy levels, these are all natural things that happen. So there's no shame in having low testosterone. But what we want to do is, so we do have the things that are important for our overall health, like, like the sex drive, we want to make sure how do we how do we change these or get them back in, in more of a, you know, maybe when we were in our 20s, or 30s, it's the balance, it's going to be again, it's going to be that synergy. Where are we at is our testosterone has it as a decrease enough, or estrogen levels are actually maybe getting close to or above our testosterone levels. And that's, and that's where the where the key lies with with that, where our loves that. So a lot of times what we do, obviously, we're going to do a, you know, kind of intake or exam, but we're also going to do some blood work on on these patients. So we're going to find out what their total testosterone is. And in turn, we're also going to find out what their estrogen levels are. And this happens with a simple blood test. 

Kim Strobel 12:58 

Yes, you know, here's what I think too. This is so unbelievably common, I should have pulled the research before this episode, like how but the thing is, is that men do not talk about this, you know, as women, we get together for our little hidden things. And we're like, so how much sex are you having? Right? Like we do this as women, but like, I don't think men are so open about that, especially with each other. So I think a lot of men like it is not abnormal, because you and I were talking about this. And in the How did it somehow it came up the other day, actually, when when I was in there for a visit. And when we were talking about I can't remember exactly how it came up. But we were talking about testosterone, we were talking about all of the effects and that many men are suffering from this, but they feel so much shame and they feel like they're alone. And you were saying that Oh, that's how it was Megan, who's a nurse practitioner. You said she she sees so many people, so many men for testosterone deficiencies and I was kind of like, really Tell me more. And so I was like, okay, so men are starting to see, hey, I do need to get help with this. Just like if I have diabetes, I'm going to take my insulin. If I have an anxiety disorder, like I do, I'm going to take my Zoloft every day. So it's just another thing that naturally happens to men as they age but because we haven't really talked about it, we can feel their men can feel very alone in this area not knowing that many people they're around daily or having these exact same issues. 

Adam Brockman 14:40 

A 

Yeah, and we and we know men, men, when we get together, we're very macho. And so what we're going to say is Yeah, we were if we're talking about sex, we're gonna say Oh, yeah, we it's it's it's all the time and it doesn't matter whatever. Whatever age it's at. We're gonna do that. Yeah. So so so that that is one of the things is a lot of men even If it is something that's going on with them, they're not they're not going to admit it. It's, you know, maybe them in their, in their significant other are the only ones that that no, this is this is happening. So so that's where the support system comes also as a as the female or the significant other is it's like, okay, let's let's get this check out, we, you know, this needs to be something that is that, that we need more of in our relationship. So, so let's, let's figure it out. And and that's where, you know, in in, let's be honest, women are more in tune to what is going on with their bodies, you know, you know, basically the, the wheels have to be fallen off a lot of times before, before I see men in the office just for a variety of different things. So women are a little bit more in tune. But now I will say this, women also have let's just let's just be out, right, they have a they have a they do have a high pick higher pain tolerance. So So not only are they in tune, but they but you know, we're talking about different different aspects of health all the way around. The big thing with, with with men, we just need to realize, maybe Hey, something's not where it needs to be. Let's just let's just go get a check out and say it doesn't it doesn't take anything. If everything looks good there, then as far as what we do, it might be something like, Hey, why don't we cover the bases with a sample multivitamin? And, and whether their testosterone is where it needs to be or not some of those Can, can fill in the gaps as well. 

Kim Strobel 16:29 

Yeah, it's really about it's not, it's not anything personal about them. It's simply how the body works. And I know you said that you see people in there, did you say in their 20s or 30s, that that are already having erectile dysfunction issues, 

Adam Brockman 16:47 

A 

yet more and more probably on the on the low t side of things, low testosterone levels, you know, again, and that may be something their estrogen may be a little bit higher their testosterone may be, what may be where it needs to be, but their estrogen is higher. So again, we're talking about how do we how do we balance that out where our normal 

testosterone levels are with the with the SVT model? So we don't have some of those issues. But But yeah, there's, you know, there's 20 and 30 year olds that are already suffering from media out there. 

Kim Strobel 17:15 

Yeah. And I was just quoting too much to my almost 21 year olds. He was he was not in support of this conversation recently. But I always talk sex to our son, and my son and his guy friends when they're over here. I'm like, somebody's got to be in their ear. Right? Like, we were gonna talk about this. Right? Yeah. So Spencer, just he gets like the whole cone of shame. He tells me later, like, why did you do that? Why? Why do you and I'm like, Listen, somebody has to tell you, but I was telling those boys because porn? Well, first of all, we know porn is a major issue, not just in teens, not just in 20s. I mean, my I have a friend who is in a church support group. And he says, Kim, I'm surrounded by some of the best men they are. They are like CEOs and CFOs. And very successful. And they have beautiful wives and beautiful children, and they love their families. They love their spouses, but they are addicted to porn, and it is ruining their lives. And we know that especially like, you know, teenagers, it's not like, Oh, I hope I find my dad's Playboy magazine under the bed type of thing. It's like, literally, I just have to pull my phone up and go to Pornhub. And it's all readily there for me. And so I've been hearing about reports that say that, that kids now by the time they're 30, many of them will have erectile dysfunction, as I explained to Spencer and his buddies, because the penis has now learned to be so overly stimulated through pornography, that obviously when they get in a real life relationship, that particular scene is probably not going to play out and so they need more and more and more stimulation, which is now causing Edy erectile dysfunction to happen even earlier in life. 

Adam Brockman 19:04 

A 

Yes, absolutely. And I think just you talking about the overstimulation. I mean, this can this can be in again, every every aspect of our lives. Now you think you think about even 1520 years ago, we didn't have the access, like, you know, just sitting here, just having this conversation with you my phones in the background. And here I'm seeing that go on going off every few seconds. But But you know, and this is just the this is our society now. So we're talking about if we're if we're bringing that into into our sex lives, then of course, by the time it's almost like we have to be in this fantasy land, to just have have a normal relationship. And that is, it's just not going to happen. 

Kim Strobel 19:46 

Yeah. And then the intimacy piece is totally missing there, too. Isn't it at times, I think, you know, um, okay, so, so I love that you say it's really a simple blood test. That's it. To determine the levels and I've studied this topic quite a bit for several years, I'm interested in all things sex, I'm, I think I could have been a sex researcher or something I don't know, I probably couldn't have said that when I still had a fourth grade classroom. But now that I have my own business, I can say things like this. But I've also heard that like, so let's just I don't know what the normal level is. But let's say you have a 40 year old man, and it says, okay, normal testosterone levels are for someone your age 350 to 600, I really don't know what they are 

Adam Brockman 20:38 

A 

not too far off, they're 

Kim Strobel 20:40 

good. Maybe those numbers are still sticking in my head better than I think. And so what I've heard, though, is like, maybe you come back in your blood test is 400. And it's like, oh, well, it falls in the normal range, but you're having libido problems, you're having low energy levels. So it's, it's understanding that it's not black and white, like, What? What is the level of testosterone that feels good in your body? Compared to another 40 year olds? Just because you guys have the same number? Maybe this person feels great with a 400? testosterone? And you don't? So we have to, we have to go a little bit deeper? Is that a fair statement? 

Adam Brockman 21:17 

A 

Yeah, that's a very fair statement. Because I mean, then you start looking at some of these other things. What about does this same, same 40 or 45 year old? What's their, you know, what's their bone density? What's their body fat? What's their muscle mass? Do they do they exercise, do all these things. And that's, that's where that's some of the missing link there where you can't just have these numbers in everybody fills, you know, in that in that gap, there's going to be voids, there's going to be excesses. So So that's another thing that we talked about. So they may be prime candidates for, for maybe some supplementation instead of, you know, like, say, for instance, with usually, as far as the testosterone goes, they there's three different types of injections, or there's even a prescription gel that they can use. They may not be candidates for that, but they may be candidates for some supplementation that we do that may raise some of these other 

things maybe might be energy levels. I mean, there's so so many different factors there that you can't just say, Okay, well, here's the normal range. Do you fit in it? Or do you not? 

Kim Strobel 22:28 

And I love that you said that because I will tell you from talking to several men about this particular issue. What I'm getting is that many times at an alio Pathak Doctor Who is just seeing the black and white, it's like, oh, well, you don't fit the criteria. So we really can't give you don't do anything where I like where you're saying, Hey, we're going to really figure out what the root cause of this and make sure we cover all of these other areas as well. So that we know is it a supplement? Is it an injection? Is it a cream? Is it a mixture of all both? And that you're really taking, again, that holistic look at making sure that that this person's needs get met, and that they start to see results in their life? And I know that you and Megan, Megan B and the nurse practitioner, you be in the chiropractor, you you guys are kind of tag teaming this many times together. Right. 

23:21 

Yeah, absolutely. So that's, that's what we try to do with, with most of what we do in office as a team approach. We just get better results that way. 

Kim Strobel 23:31 

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. If people are listening, and they're like, Hey, I don't live in tell city, Indiana, but I, you know, are Can they do like phone interviews and blood work? And like, if somebody is listening in Florida, and they're like, about, I want him to work with me on this? Is that possible? 

Adam Brockman 23:52 

A 

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. We do. We do a number of different things. We have some forms on our website that that patients can fill out. And then we come up with kind of a baseline for them off on that. And then we also, we also do telehealth, which is, you know, kind of becoming a, the wave of the future. And I feel like we were kind of the on the, on the frontier of that. Just because we've been our system. We've, we developed it even a couple of years ago for this. So we do a lot of, of, of internet, telehealth calls. We, you know, if we can, we've had people from many states that that have, we've worked with? 

 

Kim Strobel 24:39 

Yeah, because I do think it is it is difficult to find a team of people who are going to really look at you from a holistic standpoint and make sure that we get a treatment option that that's going to work and have the results evaluated every so often. And so, at the end of this episode, I'm going to have you share exactly how people can find you get a hold of you. You will do your website and all of that. But I look down here at my notes and I want to make sure I cover this, are there any side effects to to taking testosterone? 

Adam Brockman 25:13 

A 

Okay, so, so are the injections, there's obviously there's going to be side effects with, with basically any any medication, you know, the the ones that stand out or there's a increase of cardiovascular complications, I would still put that in a more of a low risk category, and then there's a risk for maybe some some clotting. But again, these are, these are, these are lower risks, you know, with anything, you know, the, whoever the patient sees, you know, the, the doctor or provider should explain these things to him, but, but overall a fairly low risk with with injections or the or the prescription gel, 

Kim Strobel 25:57 

okay. And I will tell you, I know people who have gone the last 20 or 30 years, and they have not had sex, because the man does not want to have sex because he's having EDI issues. But he doesn't want to even acknowledge it, he doesn't even want to talk about it, he definitely isn't going to go get it taken care of because there's so much shame around it. So I love that this conversation is really helping us understand that this is normal for people as they enter their 30s as they enter their 40s. And, you know, thankfully, there's hope. And I'm going back to this conversation with my grandmother, as you know, I have a Friday standing lunch date with my grandmother, and she's 97 years old. So she is incredible. And we we like she just recently gotten a nursing home. And we've seen some deterioration, but pretty much until about a year ago, I'm just telling you, anybody would have wanted to be a fly on the wall with those conversations. And I will never forget, we were in Julie's cafe, and this is giving you like the perspective of a 90 something year old one woman because like we also know now it's not shameful for a woman to say I want to enjoy sex, I want to have sex I I want it to feel fulfilling, but my grandmother's approach was so differently. And so it happened to be like October and poor Scott Strobel, my husband, he had forgotten our anniversary two years in a row. So I was out with Graham and it just so funny that this is what her head does. So I go Graham, I'm just so disappointed in Scott like, I don't make a big deal. But like just an acknowledgement that it you know, it's our anniversary, and I'm like he forgot again. And she doesn't skip a beat because anniversary to her triggered something that meant like she had to have sex with my grandpa. So she immediately goes, she was oh, well, I'm sorry about that. And you know, that sex thing. 

 

I just never really did like that Kimmy. And I was like, oh, gram, and she goes, You know, I was so disappointed when that little blue pill out. That little blue pill came out all those years ago because she's like, you know, your grandpa had diabetes. So I kind of got a reprieve because things just didn't work very well down there. And she goes, and then they came out with that little blue pill and darn it that changed everything. I was like, you know, and then the other thing that she said to this day still gets me because it takes a lot. I can pretty much talk to anybody about anything, but but I was like literally eating my eggs and gram goes. And you know what, Kimmy? When we did do it, I had to do all the work. And I so badly wanted to be like, Graham, what's the work? Like? I want to know more about that. But I was way too scared. I was like, Oh my God, my grandma just said like she had to do the work. 

 

What does that mean? Don't go into details later on on that one, right? I still have that in the back of my mind. She literally had me stunned. But the difference is, is like, you know, thank goodness that we do have treatments now because all of that was happening. All of that was happening. 15 years ago, men were having erectile dysfunction, they were having loads, this is not something that just started happening. It's just that now we've normalized it a little bit and said, Hey, this is normal. And not only that, but we have a treatment option that can help you get your vitality back again. And I think that's just so important to understand there are solutions to these problems. 

Adam Brockman 29:20 

A 

Yes, yes. And and I think in in it should be, you know, this should be exciting for most, most men and women to have some of these options. And again, you know, what we're talking about is if we're talking about attacking it from a couple different different angles, then I just feel like, like overall in their, in their, their health and activity levels are going to improve. You know, again, if we're if we're if our testosterone isn't where it needs to be, then that's obviously going to affect our energy levels. So just our day to day activity is going to change. 

Kim Strobel 29:54 

Yeah, yeah, it really is it the sex thing is important, but it's so much more than that. Now. For the women who are listening, who it's like, okay, so I really love this episode, I'm super scared to bring this up to my husband or like, how can we support our our men in this? Because it has nothing to do with us. It's really hard not to take it personally, right? Like, there's something wrong with me. I don't turn him on. I don't, he's not interested in me. It's, you know, we take things personally, it's simply a physiological thing that's happening, but 

it's still a really hard conversation between partners to have and so what is your, your advice for women on like, how we can be supportive to our partners on this? 

Adam Brockman 30:42 

A 

I think I think he just said it there with being supportive, that's going to be that's going to be the main thing, but it does need to be some type of an open conversation, if, you know, if there's things I'm sure he's not happy about the sex life either. So So where can we figure out how we have that conversation where it's comes across as supportive, but it's like, okay, hey, if if it's just a simple, a simple visit a simple blood test, let's find out where we stand. And, you know, in it, just, you know, a lot of times this, and this is what I see, I see a lot of times, too, is women actually scheduled an appointment for the men. So So, you know, maybe intro into a into a quick supportive conversation, and then go ahead and schedule that appointment. So yeah, 

Kim Strobel 31:28 

I like that, right. And explaining to them like to like taking the heat off of the sex part, right? Like, have you noticed that you're, you know, it seems like your muscle mass or you, you know, you don't have the energy levels, I've been reading a lot about this. And so I think like when we kind of remove the sex layer as the main focal point, it can make them feel maybe a little more comfortable, like, yeah, you know, it's it is all these other things to which you and I just talked about it, it truly is. So okay, so if I want to make an appointment, or I want to find more information about the services you offer, tell us where to find that. 

Adam Brockman 32:05 

A 

Okay, so, so again, you know, if you're listening to this, and you have a primary care provider that you that you go to, you know, like I said, a simple blood test may work, you know, our information, you can find us at complete wellness.us. That's our website, which we have a link across the top that will take you to, to some of our telehealth services. You know, probably the easiest way, again, is to depend on what somebody is wanting to do is to to call our toll free number, which is 877-927-1001. But you know, even even if somebody is getting the testosterone injections, and they may still have some decrease in their sex drive, or Ed, it may be worth reaching out to us to find out about supplementation. You know, really, again, we've mentioned this briefly, but a good men's multivitamin is going to cover a lot of bases. I know we've had this conversation many times when you've been in the office, our men's multivitamin, outside of the typical vitamins, you know, AB de k the minerals, we also add in a few things for prostate health. And also like coenzyme Q, which is going to be like a heart and national anti inflammatory. So keep some of that maybe, you know, some some good blood flow, which of course we needed. We need blood flow down there, too. And, and, and, and then also, what another supplement that is good for heart health. And it's actually an estrogen blocker in the body. responded Oh, 

Kim Strobel 33:51 

yeah. And so your supplements I, I remember you telling me because I've taken different ones throughout different times, but you actually created the formulas behind these. 

Adam Brockman 34:03 

A 

Yeah, most most of our supplements is what I wanted to see happen is how can we combine several different ingredients in one supplement, so one, it saves, it saves money. But more importantly, you're getting what you need in one pill versus if you had to take 20 different things. It's just it's set up for failure. So what I like is I like to have have my patients or people that are following us. Just a simple down to about two or three different types of supplements. So say for instance with this, we're talking about that men's multivitamin, but another one that I like to use has a couple of different a few a few different supplements in it one of them being the the one that we've all probably seen as a real popular the horny goat we of course the name sells itself right there. You know You know, but I'm not even thinking that that is the best one in in this particular supplement the tribulus is is what is what I call like a natural testosterone. So that's going to naturally brain our testosterone levels. And then, and then a few other things that help like, like gene signs. And so there's the you know, a lot of these supplements that I like to use are going to have several different things in it. So say, say for instance, with somebody with that is got low testosterone or EDI, these two or three different things may may close some gaps for them. 

Kim Strobel 35:34 

Yeah. And what we'll do is I'll have you email me those links to those particular vitamins that you recommended right off of your online store. And we'll drop those as well as your website, your telephone number, all of that into the show notes so that when they open up the show notes, they can just click right there and see exactly what you were talking about. 

 

Adam Brockman 35:57 

A 

Okay, that Yeah, that'd be a pretty simple scenario there. 

Kim Strobel 36:01 

Yes. Well, I just really apprec I love our conversations, I always find it funny that I come into I'm like, Am I the only person that comes into Dr. Bachmann's office and ends up having like 17 sidebar conversations while you're working on me. And then I feel nervous, because I know like, there's other clients, and I'm sure you need to get to them. But like, I have this important stuff that we need to talk about today. But I do love that about the two of us that we always were either talking about business or the law of attraction or holistic health, or last week, it was testosterone levels. And that brought us to this episode. So I really do appreciate your time and that you're willing to talk about this on behalf of men everywhere. 

Adam Brockman 36:43 

A 

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it needs to be a open conversation. And there's, there's no shame in any of this. So So that's, that's one thing in the end, you know, and another thing that we probably haven't gotten to yet, but again, we this is a conversation we always have is about diet, lifestyle, exercise, all these things. These are all going to come into play in this scenario, too. So 

Kim Strobel 37:05 

yeah, that can be hard. And we can do a part two, because I think you're right about that. Yeah. Because that is something we need to dig into as well. And I know that you have a lot to share when it comes to that and even, you know protein shakes and protein powders and all of that. So I would love to dig into that with you on another episode. That would be fantastic. So thank you so much for being here today. 

Adam Brockman 37:31 

A 

Thank you, Kim. I always enjoy our conversations. You're welcome.